<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: socialized medicine in the UK</title>
	<atom:link href="http://larrywillmore.net/blog/index.php/2012/08/01/socialized-medicine-in-the-uk/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2012/08/01/socialized-medicine-in-the-uk/</link>
	<description>Semi-daily posts, related largely to economics and government policy</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 07:44:11 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Larry Willmore</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2012/08/01/socialized-medicine-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-64020</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Willmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://larrywillmore.net/blog/?p=4659#comment-64020</guid>
		<description>Andrew,You wrote:

&quot;Universal coverage needn’t necessarily mean provision by the government.&quot;

On this, we agree. I assume that we also agree that universal coverage is important, both for basic schooling and for basic health care. 

First I would like to clarify one point. I wrote that the British NHS &quot;is &lt;strong&gt;similar&lt;/strong&gt; to education systems almost everywhere&quot;, not that it is &lt;strong&gt;the same&lt;/strong&gt;. There are important differences. Patients are not assigned to the NHS hospital or clinic nearest their home, but students everywhere typically are assigned to a government school in the district in which they reside. The NHS, in short, provides more choice than the typical public education system. And, there is (almost) always the option of opting out of the &#039;free&#039; public system, paying full fees to a private provider.

Regarding schooling, I advocate choice, but oppose vouchers when they allow cash top-ups of tuition. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://ssrn.com/abstract=1501925&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Swedish system&lt;/a&gt; is ideal. Government schools have to compete for students with private schools. Private schools can be operated by anyone - religious groups, teachers’ cooperatives, parents’ co-operatives or for-profit corporations - and municipalities are required to finance them on the same per-pupil terms as government schools. There are restrictions, however, the most important being prohibition of tuition fees. Schools, moreover, are not allowed to discriminate by residence, religion, or ability. If there are more applicants than vacant spaces, those first in the queue are admitted first. Students have full choice of schools; schools have no choice of students. This is how free markets should function. I like the Swedish system because I value choice in education, and competition has improved the performance of the entire system - government as well as private schools. I recognize, however, that competition is no guarantee of best outcomes in standardized exams. By this measure, Finland outperforms Sweden and, indeed, nearly all the countries of the world. And &lt;a href=&quot;http://ssrn.com/abstract=1501925&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Finland has a very old-fashioned system of government schools&lt;/a&gt;, with no choice whatsoever. Even opting out of the government system is difficult, for only a few, faith-based private schools are allowed to operate at very small scales.

Regarding health care, the NHS does not provide much choice, but it has the great advantage of being cheap. &lt;a href=&quot;http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2012/05/15/the-high-cost-of-us-healthcare/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The British spend only half as much per person&lt;/a&gt; on healthcare as the US does, and the results do not seem to be any worse.

I oppose health insurance vouchers for the same reason that I oppose school vouchers: it is a bad system for the poor. If you want to retain private insurers - an expensive option - it is far better to follow the path of Switzerland. The government in Switzerland mandates the purchase of basic insurance policies. The only difference between policies is the amount of the co-pay, and most purchasers choose the zero co-pay option. As many as 30 companies compete, and they are not allowed to discriminate among applicants. If one company ends up with sicker clients, the government transfers funds from other companies to it. Large numbers of poorer residents are subsidized - as many as 70% of the population in some cantons. Supplementary insurance, for services that are not included in the mandated package, can be purchased freely from the same companies that sell the basic policies. The system is complex and expensive, but seems to suit the Swiss. With so much regulation, subsidies, and transfers, it is not a purely private system of insurance. 

It would be fairer and more efficient for the Swiss to pay all basic insurance policies out of general government revenue, because &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pension-watch.net/blogs/larry-willmore-13800/meanstests-are-taxes-400/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an income test is equivalent to an income tax&lt;/a&gt;. The implicit tax of an income test falls heaviest on those just above the poverty line. All basic insurance could be funded instead from explicit taxes, paid by everyone, with modest increases in tax rates. 
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Universal coverage needn’t necessarily mean provision by the government.&#8221;</p>
<p>On this, we agree. I assume that we also agree that universal coverage is important, both for basic schooling and for basic health care. </p>
<p>First I would like to clarify one point. I wrote that the British NHS &#8220;is <strong>similar</strong> to education systems almost everywhere&#8221;, not that it is <strong>the same</strong>. There are important differences. Patients are not assigned to the NHS hospital or clinic nearest their home, but students everywhere typically are assigned to a government school in the district in which they reside. The NHS, in short, provides more choice than the typical public education system. And, there is (almost) always the option of opting out of the &#8216;free&#8217; public system, paying full fees to a private provider.</p>
<p>Regarding schooling, I advocate choice, but oppose vouchers when they allow cash top-ups of tuition. The <a href="http://ssrn.com/abstract=1501925" rel="nofollow">Swedish system</a> is ideal. Government schools have to compete for students with private schools. Private schools can be operated by anyone &#8211; religious groups, teachers’ cooperatives, parents’ co-operatives or for-profit corporations &#8211; and municipalities are required to finance them on the same per-pupil terms as government schools. There are restrictions, however, the most important being prohibition of tuition fees. Schools, moreover, are not allowed to discriminate by residence, religion, or ability. If there are more applicants than vacant spaces, those first in the queue are admitted first. Students have full choice of schools; schools have no choice of students. This is how free markets should function. I like the Swedish system because I value choice in education, and competition has improved the performance of the entire system &#8211; government as well as private schools. I recognize, however, that competition is no guarantee of best outcomes in standardized exams. By this measure, Finland outperforms Sweden and, indeed, nearly all the countries of the world. And <a href="http://ssrn.com/abstract=1501925" rel="nofollow">Finland has a very old-fashioned system of government schools</a>, with no choice whatsoever. Even opting out of the government system is difficult, for only a few, faith-based private schools are allowed to operate at very small scales.</p>
<p>Regarding health care, the NHS does not provide much choice, but it has the great advantage of being cheap. <a href="http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2012/05/15/the-high-cost-of-us-healthcare/" rel="nofollow">The British spend only half as much per person</a> on healthcare as the US does, and the results do not seem to be any worse.</p>
<p>I oppose health insurance vouchers for the same reason that I oppose school vouchers: it is a bad system for the poor. If you want to retain private insurers &#8211; an expensive option &#8211; it is far better to follow the path of Switzerland. The government in Switzerland mandates the purchase of basic insurance policies. The only difference between policies is the amount of the co-pay, and most purchasers choose the zero co-pay option. As many as 30 companies compete, and they are not allowed to discriminate among applicants. If one company ends up with sicker clients, the government transfers funds from other companies to it. Large numbers of poorer residents are subsidized &#8211; as many as 70% of the population in some cantons. Supplementary insurance, for services that are not included in the mandated package, can be purchased freely from the same companies that sell the basic policies. The system is complex and expensive, but seems to suit the Swiss. With so much regulation, subsidies, and transfers, it is not a purely private system of insurance. </p>
<p>It would be fairer and more efficient for the Swiss to pay all basic insurance policies out of general government revenue, because <a href="http://www.pension-watch.net/blogs/larry-willmore-13800/meanstests-are-taxes-400/" rel="nofollow">an income test is equivalent to an income tax</a>. The implicit tax of an income test falls heaviest on those just above the poverty line. All basic insurance could be funded instead from explicit taxes, paid by everyone, with modest increases in tax rates. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Larry Willmore</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2012/08/01/socialized-medicine-in-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-63927</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Willmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://larrywillmore.net/blog/?p=4659#comment-63927</guid>
		<description>from Andrew G. Biggs:

Larry, You wrote:
 
“Government health care is free for all residents in the UK, but no-one is forced to consume it. Private alternatives exist for those who want a higher standard of care and are willing to pay. This socialized system is similar to education systems almost everywhere: government schools are free, and private tuition is available for those willing and able to pay fees.”

But doesn’t forcing people to first pay for ‘free’ care then ‘allowing’ them to purchase private care make private care unaffordable for the vast majority of people, just as private schools are unaffordable to most people? Private schools wouldn’t be so unaffordable if you didn’t first have to pay for a private school, regardless of whether you used it. Similarly, wouldn’t it make sense to issue health grants (or whatever) so low-income people could purchase private health insurance? Universal coverage needn’t necessarily mean provision by the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from Andrew G. Biggs:</p>
<p>Larry, You wrote:</p>
<p>“Government health care is free for all residents in the UK, but no-one is forced to consume it. Private alternatives exist for those who want a higher standard of care and are willing to pay. This socialized system is similar to education systems almost everywhere: government schools are free, and private tuition is available for those willing and able to pay fees.”</p>
<p>But doesn’t forcing people to first pay for ‘free’ care then ‘allowing’ them to purchase private care make private care unaffordable for the vast majority of people, just as private schools are unaffordable to most people? Private schools wouldn’t be so unaffordable if you didn’t first have to pay for a private school, regardless of whether you used it. Similarly, wouldn’t it make sense to issue health grants (or whatever) so low-income people could purchase private health insurance? Universal coverage needn’t necessarily mean provision by the government.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Dynamic Page Served (once) in 0.298 seconds -->
