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		<title>Comment on US taxes by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2010/07/27/us-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-2872</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Biggs writes:

Martin Wolf argues that payroll taxes are both regressive and job destroying. But this is true only to the degree that the tax exceeds the benefit that the tax generates. In the U.S. there&#039;s a fairly direct link between Social Security taxes paid and benefits received, at least for the primary earner in a household. And given the general progressivity of the benefit structure, the net tax rate - that is, taxes net of benefits, relative to earnings - is well below the statutory rate and fairly progressive. For low earners the net tax rate is almost always negative, meaning that they get a significant subsidy from the program and therefore should see the combined tax/benefit structure as an incentive to work, not a destroyer of jobs. In other countries the tax/benefit link may be weaker, but in the U.S. it&#039;s strong enough that I think the two need to be considered jointly.

Andrew G. Biggs 
Resident Scholar 
The American Enterprise Institute 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Biggs writes:</p>
<p>Martin Wolf argues that payroll taxes are both regressive and job destroying. But this is true only to the degree that the tax exceeds the benefit that the tax generates. In the U.S. there&#8217;s a fairly direct link between Social Security taxes paid and benefits received, at least for the primary earner in a household. And given the general progressivity of the benefit structure, the net tax rate &#8211; that is, taxes net of benefits, relative to earnings &#8211; is well below the statutory rate and fairly progressive. For low earners the net tax rate is almost always negative, meaning that they get a significant subsidy from the program and therefore should see the combined tax/benefit structure as an incentive to work, not a destroyer of jobs. In other countries the tax/benefit link may be weaker, but in the U.S. it&#8217;s strong enough that I think the two need to be considered jointly.</p>
<p>Andrew G. Biggs<br />
Resident Scholar<br />
The American Enterprise Institute</p>
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		<title>Comment on means-tests for pensions by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2010/07/15/means-tests-for-pensions/comment-page-1/#comment-2711</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Andrew Biggs:

Congressman Boehner may or may not understand the incentive effects of an explicit means-test on Social Security benefits, but the other Congressmen (and their staffs) who have actually designed Social Security legislation do. As far as I know there isn&#039;t a single reform proposal that relies on an explicit means test, meaning the government examines your income/assets in retirement and reduces your Social Security benefits if they rise above a given level. (See here &lt;http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/solvency/index.html&gt;  for a list of proposals.)

Rather, all reform plans that reduce benefits for high earners do so on a prospective basis based on lifetime earnings, not income in retirement. For instance, President Bush&#039;s proposal would simply have made the program more progressive, by paying current law replacement rates to individuals with lower lifetime earnings but lower replacement rates to those with higher lifetime earnings. While the effect on benefits may be the same, the incentives are focused more as a negative income effect than a substitution effect. In contrast to an explicit means test, you could expect that many middle/high earners would increase personal saving to make up for the difference in their Social Security benefits.

Andrew G. Biggs
Resident Scholar
The American Enterprise Institute</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Andrew Biggs:</p>
<p>Congressman Boehner may or may not understand the incentive effects of an explicit means-test on Social Security benefits, but the other Congressmen (and their staffs) who have actually designed Social Security legislation do. As far as I know there isn&#8217;t a single reform proposal that relies on an explicit means test, meaning the government examines your income/assets in retirement and reduces your Social Security benefits if they rise above a given level. (See here <http ://www.ssa.gov/OACT/solvency/index.html>  for a list of proposals.)</p>
<p>Rather, all reform plans that reduce benefits for high earners do so on a prospective basis based on lifetime earnings, not income in retirement. For instance, President Bush&#8217;s proposal would simply have made the program more progressive, by paying current law replacement rates to individuals with lower lifetime earnings but lower replacement rates to those with higher lifetime earnings. While the effect on benefits may be the same, the incentives are focused more as a negative income effect than a substitution effect. In contrast to an explicit means test, you could expect that many middle/high earners would increase personal saving to make up for the difference in their Social Security benefits.</p>
<p>Andrew G. Biggs<br />
Resident Scholar<br />
The American Enterprise Institute</http></p>
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		<title>Comment on Yemen, the next Afghanistan? by Is Yemen the Next Afghanistan? &#124; International News - Stay up to date with the latest World News, Finance &#38; Business, Green News, Technology and Sports</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2010/07/11/yemen-the-next-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-2617</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Yemen the Next Afghanistan? &#124; International News - Stay up to date with the latest World News, Finance &#38; Business, Green News, Technology and Sports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Yemen, the next Afghanistan? by Yemen, the next Afghanistan? « Thought du Jour &#124; Breaking News 24/7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yemen, the next Afghanistan? « Thought du Jour &#124; Breaking News 24/7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Continued here: Yemen, the next Afghanistan? « Thought du Jour [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on government spending and Hayek&#8217;s &#8220;Road to Serfdom&#8221; by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2010/06/27/government-spending-and-hayeks-road-to-serfdom/comment-page-1/#comment-2418</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Curt doolittle, I appreciate your point. But government provision of basic health care need not prevent the middle and upper classes from purchasing non-essential medical care, e.g. plastic surgery or breast implants. And what about public schooling? Is there sufficient choice in the US school system to prevent the rise of bureaucracy?

- Larry Willmore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Curt doolittle, I appreciate your point. But government provision of basic health care need not prevent the middle and upper classes from purchasing non-essential medical care, e.g. plastic surgery or breast implants. And what about public schooling? Is there sufficient choice in the US school system to prevent the rise of bureaucracy?</p>
<p>- Larry Willmore</p>
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		<title>Comment on government spending and Hayek&#8217;s &#8220;Road to Serfdom&#8221; by Curt doolittle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt doolittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 02:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you&#039;re obscuring the underlying issues by using convenient language:

1) Hayek and his mentor Mises were in staunch opposition to the bureaucracy.  When conservatives say government they mean bureaucracy.   

2) Medicare is insufficiently privatized to prevent the rise of bureaucracy.

3) Medicare as a proxy to force a shortage of services, or drive out market services, or to manage the scarcity of care such that the middle and upper classes cannot use their assets to purchase services, is not redistribution, or transfer payments --  it is a managed economy and that is socialism.

And your argument that casts either conservatives or libertarians, and Hayek in particular against transfer payments rather than against the bureaucracy and loss of choice is either disingenuous or ignorant or both.

If I am overly harsh it is only to instill enough annoyance to encourage literacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you&#8217;re obscuring the underlying issues by using convenient language:</p>
<p>1) Hayek and his mentor Mises were in staunch opposition to the bureaucracy.  When conservatives say government they mean bureaucracy.   </p>
<p>2) Medicare is insufficiently privatized to prevent the rise of bureaucracy.</p>
<p>3) Medicare as a proxy to force a shortage of services, or drive out market services, or to manage the scarcity of care such that the middle and upper classes cannot use their assets to purchase services, is not redistribution, or transfer payments &#8212;  it is a managed economy and that is socialism.</p>
<p>And your argument that casts either conservatives or libertarians, and Hayek in particular against transfer payments rather than against the bureaucracy and loss of choice is either disingenuous or ignorant or both.</p>
<p>If I am overly harsh it is only to instill enough annoyance to encourage literacy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on government finance of R&amp;D by government finance of R&#38;D « Thought du Jour &#124; money blog</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2010/06/06/government-finance-of-rd/comment-page-1/#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator>government finance of R&#38;D « Thought du Jour &#124; money blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 01:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on private finance of health care by Viral Twitter Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If you were in Congress, you pass this bill?</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2010/05/30/private-finance-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2036</link>
		<dc:creator>Viral Twitter Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If you were in Congress, you pass this bill?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 22:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on why The Economist is no longer worth reading by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2010/05/07/why-the-economist-is-no-longer-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-1989</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 22:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buttenwood, I am relieved to learn that you accept that corporate taxes get passed on to consumers. This was not clear - at least to me - from your blog. But I am again confused. Greece has no central bank and no currency, so how can monetary policy drive recovery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buttenwood, I am relieved to learn that you accept that corporate taxes get passed on to consumers. This was not clear &#8211; at least to me &#8211; from your blog. But I am again confused. Greece has no central bank and no currency, so how can monetary policy drive recovery?</p>
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		<title>Comment on why The Economist is no longer worth reading by buttonwood</title>
		<link>http://larrywillmore.net/blog/2010/05/07/why-the-economist-is-no-longer-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-1971</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 17:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You describe the comment as flawed and incomplete but you don&#039;t deal with the central point at all. I accept that corporate taxes get passed on to consumers; my counterpoint was that cuts in consumer incomes also get passed on to companies. In any economy, one man&#039;s income is another&#039;s expenditure and vice versa. Or are you denying that this is true?
The larger point of the piece was that Greece is an interesting experiment in which monetary policy will be left unchanged while fiscal policy is tightened. Since there is still lots of debate about whether fiscal or monetary policy should/will be the main driver of recovery, this ought to be an issue of vital intrest to all commentators on, and students of, economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You describe the comment as flawed and incomplete but you don&#8217;t deal with the central point at all. I accept that corporate taxes get passed on to consumers; my counterpoint was that cuts in consumer incomes also get passed on to companies. In any economy, one man&#8217;s income is another&#8217;s expenditure and vice versa. Or are you denying that this is true?<br />
The larger point of the piece was that Greece is an interesting experiment in which monetary policy will be left unchanged while fiscal policy is tightened. Since there is still lots of debate about whether fiscal or monetary policy should/will be the main driver of recovery, this ought to be an issue of vital intrest to all commentators on, and students of, economics.</p>
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